It's the only internal routing I think is as good as just running cables externally (that's a lot of engineering to get to where we were - but it also looks prettier). The way they mold in the internal cable guides is really cool. Thanks for listing the Santa Cruz specific pros. Maybe someone should make a competing video with one of their employees dressed up as George Michael and the whole staff singing “you gotta have Faithhhhh!” Sorry that’s a lot of words not saying much. If a company has no info available on the material process I assume they either don’t know or don’t want to talk about it.Īnd again, that doesn’t mean their bikes aren’t good. Obviously that’s totally biased as Specialized is a brand where a lot of information on their carbon construction/different materials is available if you want it, but it’s still one point I consider when looking at carbon frames. Years ago someone from Specialized told me that it’s easy to tell the difference between good carbon bikes and cheap carbon bikes because the good ones talk about the process. At the end of the day the Carbon Warden is expensive af because he made it the best he could and basically that requires a level of faith when purchasing. I wish I could have recorded what Noel said because I was playing devil’s advocate and he had lots of interesting ways of thinking about it. The problem is that companies use can always make bikes lighter by using simpler designs and less material so without knowing the failure rate of say an IBIS dual-link bike compared to the equivalent C/CC frame it’s not really possible to compare cross-company carbon claims.īMC does a decent job of showing what goes into their carbon products but since most brands don’t thats not really a usual comparable either. Then take the example of Yeti and SC and for Turq or CC the only real benefit is same durability at a lower weight (compared to their own cheaper carbon bikes).
On mountain bikes most companies (other than Special-Ed, SC and Yeti.) just use ‘carbon’ often with made up marketing names that mean nothing. For example with Specialized they do a good job of explaining what makes the higher number FACT products more expensive than the lower. This is an excellent point - on road bikes its a lot simpler because weight and ride quality are easily measured metrics. One other aside - I know it doesn’t matter for anyone who won’t use the feature, but having had custom bikes built those rocker dropouts are also a premium over a static option. Is that better? Worth spending more money on? Totally a personal decision. the cost of making a premium carbon frame when he was starting the Carbon Warden program. I think the best explanation I’ve heard was Noel Knolly talking about the cost of just doing carbon vs. Whether C or CC level they’re a premium product. Santa Cruz delivers unabashedly high end carbon frames. So really the big pricing difference is high end carbon wheels.Ģ) It’s hard to comment on relative value when it comes to carbon (I suppose the same can be said for any material. The Reserve build difference is wheels, carbon cranks, headset. Certainly was the case on lots of old Rocky bikes.ġ) You get almost the same build on Chameleon C S at 3800 USD. Lots of companies used to spec a black Shimano rear hub with a black cartridge thru-axle hub.
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